they could say we'll do it differently, taxes, spending. it's less than $1.2 trillion. they have the power of negotiation over that or else that kicks in automatically. or the continuing resolution that funds the government is going to expire at the end of march. so again, republicans and they did this in early 2011 a couple of times. republicans could walk up to the line to shut the government down for a few days if the demand aren't met and tried in it 1995. these are the leverage points, none of this is healthy for governance but talking about using the debt ceiling for leverage, you're talking about completely and totally changing the basic norms of how congressional parties behave and flirting with economic catastrophe so the challenge for john boehner and the republicans who do at a certain level know better try somehow to get the republican caucus to fix on the sequester an the continuing resolution and not make it about the debt ceiling. >> let's hear from the world's foremost expert on the politically disastrous consequences of shutting down the government, new